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The Animal Turn Crossover Episode with Claudia Hirtenfelder and Carol Gigliotti

Writer's picture: Marika Marika

Creativity in Conversation


Throughout the episode, Claudia and Carol explore various aspects of animal creativity. They discuss the creative processes in both animals and humans, highlighting how these processes are iterative and non-linear. Claudia draws parallels between her own creative experiences and those of the animal kingdom, illuminating the universal nature of creative endeavor.


Distinctive Examples of Creativity

Carol presents captivating examples, such as prairie dog communication, humpback whale bubble-net feeding, and the complex social structures and cultural evolutions evident in animal societies. These stories underscore the intricacies of animal behavior, challenging preconceived notions about the intellectual capabilities of non-human species.


Cultural and Evolutionary Impact

The conversation examines the cultural and evolutionary implications of animal creativity. Carol underscores that creativity isn't just an isolated trait; it's essential for species survival and adaptation. Animals partake in cultural revolutions and evolutions, influencing biodiversity and the way species interact with their environment.


Reflections and Takeaways

Claudia and Carol stress the critical need to perceive animal lives as deeply meaningful and autonomously creative. Their conversation invites listeners to acknowledge and respect the myriad ways animals contribute to the richness of the world through creativity and culture.



Don't miss Series 13 where we will be hearing Carol again with an episode on the sexual creativity of animals. From the elaborate artistic displays of Bower Birds to the amazing dancing and singing ability of... Spiders! You won't want to miss it.


Trailer for series13 drops January 27th.

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